Marion Cotillard buys the other version of 9/11

There is nothing new about film stars who spout political nonsense or subscribe to wacky religions. But it is still worth a mention when the French winner of the new Oscar for best actress says that the World Trade Center was not attacked by terrorists but was blown up by its owners on 9/11 -- and that the Americans may never have landed on the moon in 1969.             

Marion Cotillard made these points in a French television interview that was broadcast a year ago, before she achieved fame with her role as Edith Piaf in La Vie en Rose.  The video has just been revived by Marianne2, the site of a leading leftwing news magazine. I'm posting it here with the English text (below) because it is a useful glimpse of an outlook that remains widespread, especially in hip leftwing circles in France. I run into people quite often who tell me that they do not believe in the conspiracy theories but "of course" everyone knows that there was much more to the 9/11 attacks than "they" tell us.

French support for the idea that 9/11 was engineered by the US government was fed by the success of a 2002 book by Thierry Meyssan. This argued that no airliner crashed into the Pentagon. The book was ridiculed after a while but it reached the best-seller lists in France and several other countries. As Cotillard shows, the conspiracy theory lingers.

Marianne has attracted a torrent of abuse from conspiracy believers since it posted Cotillard's remarks on its site on Friday. It explained why it revived her views: 

Our logic is simple. The remarks of Marion Cotillard are typical of a kind of excess which has affected the ranks of the left for several years.... The words of Marion Cotillard did not provoke the slightest reaction from the journalist who was interviewing her, nor from any of the television critics whose output fills our media.    

Here in English is what Cotillard told Xavier de Moulins, her interviewer.  The session took place in the Paris Catacombs. She mentions Coluche, a much-loved subversive comedian who was killed in a motorcycle crash in 1986.

Marion Cotillard: I tend rather often to take the side of the conspiracy theory.... I'm not paranoid. It's not paranoid because I think that they lie to us about an awful lot of things: Coluche, 9/11. You can see on the internet all the films of September 11 on the conspiracy theory. It's fascinating, even addictive.

They show other towers of the same type that aeroplanes have run into and which burnt. There is a tower, in Spain I think, which burnt for 24 hours... It never collapsed. None of these towers collapse. But there (in New York), the thing collapses. Then afterwards you can talk about it for a long time. The towers of September 11 were stuffed with gold. And they were swallowing up cash because they were built, I gather, in 1973. And to re-cable all that, to modernise the technology and all of that, it was much more expensive to carry out the work than to destroy them.

.... Did man ever walk on the moon ? I have seen a lot of documentaries on that and really, I wonder. In any case, I do not believe everything they tell me. That's for sure.

MONDAY UPDATE:

With the storm over Cotillard raging in the USA, we got the following explanation today from Bastien Duval, her agent:

Marion's reaction is that this video was filmed in special circumstances after a broadcast on Coluche (popular comedian killed in 86 motorcycle accident) and she was being asked to react to this broadcast. Marion then simply expressed the view that she wanted to form her own opinion (on 911) from watching various reports, but she never wished to call into question the events of 11 September.

This reportage has been taken out of context and one can only condemn such practises.  Marion deplores that. She is currently filming in Chicago and has a lot of work. She is in an ocean of happiness and voila, this row blows up. It's rather strange. It's an old report, not at all current. Why bring it out now ?

I talked three times to Marion overnight. This is worrying her. She is still in shock and does not really know how to react. She doesn't have to apologise for a badly presented and badly interpreted reportage.... She hopes that the Americans will have enough distance to understand, but her career is not just American. She can make films everywhere.

   

Comments

[textibule]

Charles,

I have always refused to even think about 9/11 conspiracy theories, although I believe the present US government largely capable of such things.

About 10 minutes before reading this post, however, and a very strange coincidence it is indeed, out of morbid curiosity I watched a video of WTC7 collapsing in the 9/11 confusion, well after the twin towers.

I'm thinking now, how is it possible not to believe that something sinister is going on. If the community mind here can shed light, I'd be interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzmKzr4ZN2Y

[Daniel Strohl]

My wife said: "Il ne faut pas tout mélanger", meaning that since Ms Cotillard is an actress, she should deal with acting matters, and nothing else - at least in public.

"The remarks of Marion Cotillard are typical of a kind of excess which has affected the ranks of the left for several years..."

Marianne know what they are talking about - LOL! However, they should at least try to apply their sound thinking to themselves (for instance "L'appel du 14 février" - LOL!).

PS : we have many TV channels - I would almost say "too many" - quantité ne rime pas toujours (ou rarement) avec qualité.

[qwerty]

There is a degree of silliness in French actresses (e.g.: Adjani's publicised tantrums with past lovers [and mysteriously hiding behind dark glasses all the time], Béart's problems in recognising she had cosmetic surgery, Binoche's religiosity, Marceau's and Paradis's behaviour at Cannes film festivals... and all of them voted for Ségolène Royal).

But generally, silly ideas seem to catch better with Americans, non? See: Rhonda Byrne's "The Secret" and associated works (they're lying all over tables at the Paris W.H. Smith's and rank #12 on Amazon). That's based on a sort of conspiracy theory, and it's a book no French person would fall for (however....doesn't Paul Coelho sell extremely well in France?)

[concedo nulli]

Charles, casse-toi bouffon. Or discuss the merits of the "plan Attali".

[Little Big Horn]

Many American or English people believed in Iraqi mass destruction weapons if I remember well. They even made a war for that.

Some get vain prizes, some get hundreds of thousands of dead, terrorist nestles and civilian chaos abroad.

(I've even been heard that a consequential amount of people nowadays believe that the Universe has been created 7000 years ago in 6 days by a Super Daddy praising capitalism, that His Son Jesus saved humanity (even non-monotheist vegetarians) from all sins, that real life/world was indeed after death, and not on the web and, please believe me... that the Pope's chasuble is cleaned with a special new synthesis powder that makes water totally useless. It's an acquaintance's Swiss friend, banker in Vatican, who told me. No article about that?)

[azloon]

LBH

your world indeed is dark and muddled territory.

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re marion

her 'drivel' is no different than that of millions of people in many countries who have not a scintilla of discriminatory thinking ability.

[gisèle]

Je connais plusieurs américains vivant en France qui croient que WTC7 a été détruit de l'intérieur car sa façon de s'imploser était invraisemblable comme résultat de la destruction des Twin Towers.

Il est indisputable que deux avions se sont écrasés sur les Twin Towers, et que ceci était une attaque terroriste. Si vraiment il existe des gens qui peuvent se permettre de profiter d'une telle monstruosité pour s'epargner le coût des travaux, nous devons nous demander dans quel genre de monde nous vivons - ou ILS vivent plutôt.

L'idée que l'homme n'a jamais marché sur la Lune vient sûrement du film "Capricorn I"?

[Mary Fernandez]

Kooks and idiots who spe

Popular Mechanics had a gaggle of Engineers refute all the conspiracy theories. WTC7 fell because the debris from WTC1 and WTC2 gutted a full corner of the building. Besides burning for most of the day, it was left standing like a three-legged table. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html

I believe Purdue university did a similar study with a computer simulation. (Sorry, can't find the link in less than 5 minutes).

That is a late night show on a cable tv called Paris première. The show called Paris dernière is rated for adults because of its "kinky" if not porno style.
Lots of people like to babble and fantasize about conspiracy theories, it should not be taken too seriously.
I remember the TW 800 flight crash near New York, a majority of TWA staff wanted to believe the plane had been hit by a missile shot by US Navy. An American journalist made a show of himself during a congress at Cannes, trying to propagate rumour that a US Navy ship had accidentally shot that missile.
Do you really believe that kind of outlook is widespread ?

[millier marc]

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le vote de johnny hallyday, sardou, bigeard ,mireille Mathieu.Raphi de la star ac, faudel, enrico macias c qui ont voté pour sarko representent évidemment la culture française!!!!!!

[Gail Johnson]

She obviously didn't have someone she knew call their Mother to tearfully say goodbye right before they died. One of my best friends had to comfort her son on the phone that morning right before he died. Another relative of mine SAW the planes hit the towers. It was the full jet fuel and where they hit the towers that caused the "implosion". But I'm sure she feels that the Hollicoust didn't happen too!

In the history of Construction & Engineering, no steel structure or building has EVER collapsed because of fire. WTC buillding collapsed, bur fire was not the cause.

[Jill Dandy]

Textibule, have a look at http://911proof.com/index, http://www.911truth.org and http://georgewashington.blogspot.com. These should give you a good introduction.

[Jill Dandy]

Textibule, have a look at http://911proof.com/index, http://www.911truth.org and http://georgewashington.blogspot.com. These should give you a good introduction. There are also websites by architects, scholars and pilots with their own contributions to the case (http://911scholars.org & http://pilotsfor911truth.org).

[bouhh23]

Come on there's nothing to do with being pro or against America. She's not the only one who doubt about all these cases. I think she is scared of the craziness money and power bring, Just watch the entire documentary Paris derniere. And I just don't understand why it is shocking, I mean she was questionning why and how it happened, She did not deny all the suffering it caused.
They just take an old interview now that she's known in the US >>> too easy !

[judy]

A fabulous actress doing a phenomenal job on the screen. As an actress I give her a '10'. In evaluating science or real life; perhaps a '2'. If I wanted to see a great film - I would look to her. If I needed medical opinion or an objective scientific value - I would look elsewhere.

[Daniel Strohl]

QWERTY,

Congratulations! You know our actresses better than many French, or at least me.

May be one could add Arielle Dombasle to the list?

[rocket]

anonymous

I love it! out of the blue a hot and run!

"In the history of Construction & Engineering, no steel structure or building has EVER collapsed because of fire. WTC building collapsed, bur fire was not the cause."

Where are your sources?

Right. It was structural failure due to the steel melting and then structural failure. (Yes, steel can melt!)Had there been no fire from the outset this wouldn't have happened.

But that was a little bit difficult with 24,000 gallons of highly combustible jet fuel sprayed into the building after an impact shock at over 880km/hour. In fact a little faster and the plane would have broken up before hitting the building as it was going so fast.

Even a little tiny building can go down because of a gas explosion. Right here in wonderland.

http://tinyurl.com/yo2nxl

"Le 30 octobre dernier, une explosion, due à la perforation d'une conduite de gaz lors de travaux de voirie à Bondy, avait fait un mort et 52 blessés. Le 22 décembre, un immeuble s'effondrait à Noisy-le-Sec après la détérioration d'une canalisation de gaz lors de travaux sur la voie publique. L'accident avait fait cinq blessés."

And I persist

http://tinyurl.com/3exzem

"The collapse of the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center shortly after being struck by airliners occurred because New York City banned the use of asbestos as a fire retardant during the buildings' construction, one industry expert has alleged."

You can make all of the comparisons with the Windsor Tower that you'd like

http://tinyurl.com/2tel6v

MC: One can show you some other similar towers hit by planes, which have burned… there is a tower, I think it was in Spain that burned for 24 hours.
Interviewer: Before collapsing?
MC: It never collapsed! None of these towers collapse. And then, within minutes, the thing collapses.

She is referring to the Windsor Tower in Madrid, which burned for about 24 hours and didn't collapse. It is a favorite citation of conspiracy theorists. But there are some huge differences:

1) The Windsor Tower was 32 stories, not 110 as in the World Trade Center;

2) The Windsor Tower fire was not started by jet fuel;

3) The Windsor Tower wasn't hit by a 767, with the resulting structural damage and fireproofing stripped away;

4) The Windsor Tower wasn't really a steel-framed building either. Half of the building was pure concrete, with steel framing covering the top 16 floors.

see also

http://www.debunking911.com/madrid.htm

So what are you trying to say?

[peta jones]

So disprove her comments rather than discredit her!

[Jeannette Isabella]

Well, La Vie en Rose is the last Marion Cotillard movie we'll ever watch. We bought the DVD, but have now tossed it in the bin.
She's an idiot who is beyond disrespectful to the people who died in the Twin Towers, including the heroic firefighters and the innocent passengers on the hijacked planes. What about the 9/11 documentary that was made by FRENCH filmmakers? Are they part of the conspiracy as well?
Cotillard is a silly, vain, attention-seeking poule.

[John Bayldon]

So the US government conspiracy- all carried out by a mad Arab in an Afghanistan cave, has now become the new holocaust- an unquestionable indistputable fashion fact.
I did not need to read the article above to know by the plus mad 1984 phrase " ...."BUYS" the other 9/11 version" Doubleplusdumbspeak. Meaning 'For god'ssake don't look at the facts for yourself reader-thickos- simply believe the honest, truthful US government and its bosses. It wasn't Zionists at all mad Arabs with oil reserves, who Israel had begging the USA to slaughter, did it, I tell you because, er because er They hate our freedoms, Yeah yeah wooo woo war on terror, etc.
And in case you feel tempted dear dummy, er news consumer- we won't actually print the full English text of what the woman said. It's for your own good dear reader- trust us, you wouldn't want to bother your tiny mind with all that factual stuff- someone from practical mechanics-Duh! said that er, something or other, and anyway it's not cool. Ignorance is the new wisdom.
Ps This writer was warning about the 9/11 attack- four years before it happened- Within three months we shall be slaughtering Iranians after another false flag- faked attack on 2 US navy ships in the Gulf. This will also be a Tonkin - Lusitania coincidence. But the zionists shall have their slaughter, and the USA will have the oil-and so it goes-over and over again.

[Mary Fernandez]

Posted by: | 2 Mar 2008 20:48:28

1. How do you think they make steel? (Hint: It involves fire).

2. Fire weakens steel which does cause collapse. Your statement is oft repeated but is also patently false.

This my last comment on this idiotic subject. Why would one assume that the same people who can't pull off a simple robbery at the Watergate Hotel could fool the world for decades about a moon landing? Or, GWB could mastermind 9/11 but can't run Iraq or save New Orleans? Stop watching so much X-Files.

[Mary Fernandez]

Posted by: | 2 Mar 2008 20:48:28

1. How do you think they make steel? (Hint: It involves fire).

2. Fire weakens steel which does cause collapse. Your statement is oft repeated but is also patently false.

This my last comment on this idiotic subject. Why would one assume that the same people who can't pull off a simple robbery at the Watergate Hotel could fool the world for decades about a moon landing? Or, GWB could mastermind 9/11 but can't run Iraq or save New Orleans? Stop watching so much X-Files.

[Fraser]

Mlle Cotillard is in very good company.......

“From areas around the Palazzo Chigi, nerve centre of direction of Italian intelligence, it is noted that the non-authenticity of the video is supported by the fact that Osama bin Laden in it ‘confessed’ that Al Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attack on the Twin Towers in New York. However, all of the democratic areas of America and of Europe, with the Italian center-left in the forefront, now know full well that the disastrous attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and Mossad with the help of the Zionist world to falsely incriminate Arabic countries and to persuade the Western Powers to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan.”
(Former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga in “Corriere della Sera” 11/30/07)

"The planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement. To hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers! This is unthinkable, without years-long support from secret apparatuses of the state and industry."
(Andreas von Bülow, former German Defense Minister)

“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?
(Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta testifying to the 911 Commission)

http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

http://www.ae911truth.org/
AE911Truth

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
pilotsfor911truth.org

[Andrew Lowe Watson]

Her doubts would be startling if they were unusual. In fact they are shared by intelligent men and women all over the globe, including heads of state (the former president of Italy), high ranked members of the US Military and insiders in the Bush government. Why do the media not report these facts?
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

[qwerty]

No, no, none of all that. 9/11 was entirely my fault. I was having a "rupture sentimentale" by phone at the very moment it was happening, and the crash was quite obviously a synchronous conflagration (see Lolita, Nabokov, chap. 10). I only saw the images later that day on the news (too busy writing my "lettre de rupture") and thought they were a trailer for a catastrophe movie.

BTW, BHL or someone affirms that half of all Americans think that when they're driving the car God is sitting in the passenger seat talking to them.

Daniel: I've been bitchy about the French actresses I mention, but Dombasle is not to be put on the "silly" list, she's an icon and a sincerely good person.

[Barrie Garfinkel]

John Bayldon:

Thank you again John, for the salient point that the Zionist (Jews) did it.
It proves again that the idiots never sleep.

NEVER AGAIN!!!

[dan]

The 9/11 conspiracy theory is the greatest idiot test of our times.

Shame Cotillard is an idiot, ah well..

[mike]

If the lie is big enough it will become a 'fact'. Such is history. e.g. Historians (even some Spanish ones) now concede that initially the Moors did not invade Spain but were invited by the Visigoths to sort out a small civil war - and then stayed welcomed by the inhabitants who suffered under the Visigoths, especially the Jews. There were later invasions by fanatic Almohads but that was aaginst the ruling Moorish caliphate. But you still read in the history books about the 'occupation' of Spain. If 800 years is an occupation then just about every country in the world is still occupied. The 9/11 official story will be recorded as such so that in 500 years it will BE fact. Whatever the truth.

[Anton the Irascible]

There's open-minded . . .
and then there's empty-headed.

[thurney]

je ne sais pas ce qui est le plus affligeant de nullité entre l'article et les propos de Marion.... peut être l'article quand même... au moins Marion est sexy.
En tout cas je ne savais pas que le Time devenait un tabloid.

[Fraser]

Mr Garfinkel, please take a look at the following lists of individuals who also question the official account of 9/11....are these people all "idiots" too?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/core.html
core group @ pilotsfor911truth.org

http://patriotsquestion911.com/
Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

[verite]

As posted earlier
http://www.ae911truth.org/
might be a good place to start for those who have not researched the idiocy of the official conspiracy theory, followed by http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

Recently revealed are future flight bookings by the alleged "hijackers".
In reality, there is a psychological security blanket, like faith in the "system," which prevents many from examining all the facts.

[nila]

TEXTIBULE,
Thank you for showing this video...

[S Ward]

Thermite was used to melt the steel as the steel was still in a molten state typical of the use of that product several weeks after the collapse. Also it is against the laws of nature for the buildings to have collapsed in about 8 seconds which is what they did unless it was free fall i.e. the intervening floors did not pose any obstacle to the flight of the higher floors. This could only occur if each floor was blown out consecutively as the building collapsed. A typical collapse based on the design and heat generated would take much longer if a collapse was possible at all. Designers of those buildings dispute that possibility.Security dogs trained to sniff out thermite and other explosives were removed from the building the week before as maintenance work between floors was carried out. Also the insurance claim was drastically increased several months before the tragedy. These are just some of the inconsistencies not raised not just by left wing loonies or crazy actresses as some accuse this lady of but professors in universities specialising in structural design in the states. Theyve all been massively discredited by a neocon party who largely own the media i.e. Fox news and other networks. The reason for doing it? Read the Project for the New American Century manifesto published years before by the neocons who came to power in the Whitehouse who claimed the dismantling of Iraq and the secured interests of US power required a new Pearl harbour event to justify it.

[Little Big Horn]

Mr Azloon,

My "dark and muddled territory" as you said, is called "France", from an old gallic word that used to mean, at dark and muddled ages, "territory". Then became "franc": clear, frank, straight.

"France" is now... a country, that has produced among other things, enlightened churches, called cathedrals, the Loire Valley castles, the polyphony, the musical (and chess) notation, the (chivalry) novel, with a profane and roman dialect known today as.. the French, the "enluminure", the scolastic, the dissertation and the cartesian philosophy, the Champagne, and claret, the guillotine, the "soutien-gorge" (bra), the menu, and wine list, the “galerie des glaces”, the gardens "à la française", Hugo, Racine and La Fontaine, the "vouvoiement" and the "futur antérieur", the large boulevards, the encyclopedia, the metric system, Brassens, Rodin, Fragonard, the "laïcité", the langage of diplomacy, a nuclear industry that works, etc...

And if you needed two last examples in this mess which express in various ways the French natural and constant care for "france", la clarté, clearness, it could be: aviation (Icarus, who wants to escape from the labyrinth), and cinema (Narcissus, who wants to see how he looks like). Wings and mirors.

French Enlightenment generated clearness too (Voltaire, Rousseau...). But it produced also a collateral damage called the "United States of America", a not always bright territory since WW2. As far as "dark and muddled territory" are concerned, the United-statians, with due respect, should from time to time reread Freud's "Introduction to Psychoanalysis". But it may be a too dark continent to explore. Or maybe the myth of “Oedipus Rex” if you like (you know, the blind guy). Very clarifying to start a reflection on one’s collective uncounscious, identity, mind, myths, believes, spirit, especially for a neurosis people, disconnected from the reality, dreaming. it’s called make the genealogy of its morality. Some may discover why they need violence, torture, evil, war, gods, death penalty, domination, terror, guns, fear, and enemies outside, for instance, to get their identity, their mental health, and belong to an innocent and united... country, enlightened about reality, in order, at work.

My dark and muddled world Mr Azloon:

"Dans le cristal d'une fontaine
Un cerf se mirant autrefois
Louait la beauté de ses bois,
Mais ne pouvait qu'avec peine
Souffrir ses jambes de fuseaux
Dont il voyait l'objet se perdre, dans les eaux…"

"Une eau courait fraiche et creuse
Sur les mousses de velour,
Et la nature amoureuse,
Dormait dans les grands bois sourds"

Yes it's lost in darkness nowadays, although pretty clear, as "de l'eau de roche". Pure clarity. To each is own light. The new frontier for Americans: understand their repressed genesis, and the barbaric French! Don't blame the French Azloon, they may be your fathers!!! Maybe some day your fellow citizens will find an English word for "reconnaissance". It could be the reason why you Anglo-Saxons have created this site, and why some spend their time on it? Yep? Nope?

Besides, "franc" means also "free". Sur ce my friend... may the force be with you.

[razatork]

appalling.

Nothing new though, people can become pretty irrational when it comes to the us, especially leftists; add to that the fact that they like to believe they are smarter than the rest of us, and you get that kind of mentality.

For her defense, women often struggle to find legitimity in france; while it looks very liberal from the outside, the french society is actually one of the most conservative you will find in europe.

What is really surprising though is that it hasn't been picked up in the us blogs or media, maybe you should send this article to around. :whistle:

[Fraser]

“U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes used in Tuesday’s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s.”
(Newsweek Sept 15th 2001)

“As the investigation gathered strength Saturday, unusual leads began to surface, among them the possibility that some of the hijackers may have received training at Pensacola Naval Air Station in Florida or other U.S. military facilities.

Two of 19 suspects named by the FBI, Saeed Alghamdi and Ahmed Alghamdi, have the same names as men listed at a housing facility for foreign military trainees at Pensacola. Two others, Hamza Alghamdi and Ahmed Alnami, have names similar to individuals listed in public records as using the same address inside the base.

In addition, a man named Saeed Alghamdi graduated from the Defense Language Institute at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas, while men with the same names as two other hijackers, Mohamed Atta and Abdulaziz Alomari, appear as graduates of the U.S. International Officers School at Maxwell Air Force Base, Ala., and the Aerospace Medical School at Brooks Air Force Base in San Antonio, respectively. ”
(Washington Post Sept 16th 2001)

"The bigger the lie, the more people will believe it."
(Adolf Hitler)

[azloon]

Denying the Holocaust is a crime in France.

the U.S. hasn't found it necessary to criminalize speech, but if it had, Marion would be receiving future oscars via video link, a la roman polanski (a convicted pedophile).

[WTaylor]

If this was a conspiracy then there was also a conspiracy by the French Government when the French were routed by the German army with the intention of dragging the US into the European conflict so that Americans could spill their own blood on French soil to save the baguette and the french fry - Causes worth fighting for!!
French troops participating in Iraq or Afghanistan? Nah!

[Lily]

“I'm thinking now, how is it possible not to believe that something sinister is going on.” (Textibule)

This thread reminds me of a past thread about the smoking ban in France – with many new contributors who said smoking was healthy. Here, there appears to be a pro-conspiracy theory lobby at work. Most others agree on the official theory.

Reading through all this, I have come to reconsider 9/11 and am impressed about the substance provided by these critics of the official version. Cotillard may be a more credible actor than political commentator …, but I don’t categorically dismiss what she said – except for her doubts about the moon landing.

Rocket’s explanation looked good, but I changed my mind and think those lobbyists are hard to disprove. There seem to be too many inconsistencies in the official theory.

[Grumpy B]

So Clinton can't get away with a quiet b... job in the White House (a private act of two), but Bush can blow up thousands in the WTC (a conspiracy of hundreds) without getting caught?

I thought these left wing nuts thought Bush was dumber than a bag of rusty nails? For 'dumbest' they really should look themselves up on facebook.

[Patrick]

Grumpy B, It might be worth noting that 100,000 people worked on the Manhattan project for 15 years and the first thing anyone knew about that was a loud bang and about 80,000 people killed in the blink of an eye one morning in Japan.

[Yah Weh]

If you think some `errorist` guys from a cave on the other side of the world had all of that happen, there is something wrong with you....US Neo-Cons (Fas..) absolutely utterly complicit in these events. Think Israel. If you think this is outside the bounds of reality, you clearly do not know much of modern history, particularly US Military history. Enjoy your awakening.

[Fraser]

For anyone who wishes to investigate this subject further, I highly recommend the following videos.....

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=911+press+for+truth&total=191&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
9/11: Press for Truth

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598&q=loose+change+final+cut&total=356&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Loose Change Final Cut

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6885277369482418431&q=terrorstorm+final+cut&total=39&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Terrorstorm: Final Cut

[Believer]

think abt it, who keeps tellin us that the so called "Terrorist Nations" do not need to have nuclear weapons, while they themselves have been the only ones in history to have dropped a bomb on Hiroshima!

[Lisa]

So she made these comments a year ago before anyone had ever really heard of her? Ms. Cotillard is perfectly entitled to think and believe what she likes - as a great many are doing even in America. This "siutation" is being blown all out of proportion.

[Matt Hill]

Absurd. These allegations that WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolition are fairly easy to disprove, actually. Whenever buildings are imploded the charges used to sever structural supports are always evident because normally implosion is preceded by a string of synchronized explosive detonations from the highest floor to street level. Not only was this not the case at WTC7, the fact that the building collapsed asymmetrically would show that if someone had rigged the building for detonation in less than 24 hours (a major feat), they did a really bad job of it.
These claims that there is no explanation for the building's collapse are the funniest of all, to me. Did it escape our notice that the two tallest buildings in Manhattan had collapsed next door a few hours earlier? Falling from that height, even relatively light objects gain enormous kinetic energy; WTC7 would have been riddled by falling debris, much of which would have been quite large. I find it remarkable that the building survived the initial collapse of the south tower alone.
The video that someone posted that claimed that the collapse of the tower was a 'pyroclastic flow' reflects a complete lack of understanding of what that term means. A pyroclastic flow is an extremely high-temperature current of heated gas and rock, not concrete debris carried on wind currents. The video's assertion that a pyroclastic flow is formed by "explosive force" isn't really true either,in that Pyroclastic flows are gravity currents and insofar as the amount of explosives you would need to make one would have caused the building to explode like a bomb rather than settling neatly onto the existing wreckage. A pyroclastic flow down the streets of lower Manhattan would have literally caused aluminum and steel to burn; it's that hot (there are 'cold' pyroclastic flows that can occur at around 250 degrees C but they happen underwater). There would have been a stream of slag at Ground zero rather than a mound of wreckage. Just because a dust cloud moves in one direction (it was channeled by the street) and therefore looks like a pyroclastic flow doesn't make it one. You can't give expert advice on a subject you don't understand.
S Ward, how did they move the thousands of pounds of Thermite charges into the World trade center and then emplace them without anyone noticing? People did make it out, you know, lots of them. Thermite acts differently from conventional explosives but the effects would also have been immediate and obvious to observers. I'm not sure what "laws of nature" the building collapse violated by taking only 8 seconds. Perhaps you could enlighten us; are you an engineer? I know I am, and it makes perfect sense to me. This theory has no merit either.
One last thing, on a purely nonscientific basis. You all throw the phrase 'Neo-Con' around like you know what it means. Yah Weh believes they are fascists. Neoconservatism is, first of all, largely defunct as a school of thought. It also has nothing to do with militarism or central economic control as an actual fascist movement would. It's a foreign policy philosophy for the most part.
Patrick; the Manhattan project was conducted in an age before the internet, and it was hardly secret, either. The first tests were actually conducted at the University of Chicago on the squash court; everyone, including the Germans, knew about it; it wasn't secret at all. The 'Trinity' explosion was seen by dozens of people not affiliated with the project who could have informed the press, but never thought to.
If there were a secret project to murder some 3,000 of our countrymen there is no way it could have been kept secret. It's simply impossible. The government isn't out to get you, folks, as much as you would like it to be.

[gisèle]

Is there anyone else who remembers these two small things which "disappeared" from reporting about 9/11:
First, I heard GW Bush "en direct" on the radio say that "the folks" who had done this weren't going to get away. By the time I park my car and go in the house and put on the TV, he was saying "those".
Of course this proves nothing, but I think "folks" suggests people you know, are familiar with, maybe just a "Texasism" but not right in view of the events, so changed to keep a good image of the President? The image-masters were very quick to do this - it was literally seconds.
Next I remember hearing that a small suitcase had been found abandonned, I think in Chicago railway station, after the attacks.
One could think that in such circumstances they might clear the area and blow up any abandonned case in a public place in a major city.
But they didn't, they opened it and found inside a list of "Arab-sounding" names and a copy of the Qoran. Very convenient I thought.
I know I didn't dream this, but it was never again mentioned or developped. Does anyone else recall this?

[Matt Hill]

Okay, Moderator, how does 'Believer''s comment make it through? It's not even about this subject! Nuclear weapons aren't the topic here, and he closes with the assertion that God is going to destroy us. I should think it would be obvious by now that he's not going to take sides here. Might as well call for the armies of Christ to triumph in the Holy land and so recover the holy city of our lord for the pope and the people of Christendom! Let's keep to the original topic, eh?

[I've cut some of his/her comments. CB]